She went to the SGTs and the Chaplin professing that she lied at MEPs. They only care in the beginning because they don't want to waste money on you for "XYZ" reason for processing, no matter how bullshit it is. They don't understand how a broken leg or asthma when they were a kid can come back, they don't understand how mental issues are severely exacerbated under stress-- because they think their phone breaking is stress, and they dealt with that just fine. They said "No problem, we'll work around it." If you do tell the truth about the surgery and wait 6 months for the lasik, you will probably still be able to get a contract, but you will have to go through a bunch of unnecessary shit. I called the head recruiting office in my district and he said the same thing (trust but verify), that letters of rec are no longer considered important to packages. The purpose of this script is to help protect users from doxing, stalking, and harassment. The forms tell you that you must disclose it. So I was told to go into his office and asked me if I was lying about any paperwork and that is there anything I didn't disclose with my recruiter or if I have done drugs. Anything that deals with flying can cause problems with some that have had Lasik. Take the advice and think on it. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it's a no go or not . Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. Just get off the meds asap, and keep your shit together for however long your recruiter says you need to. I even believed that my OR would appreciate my persistence in trying to get more info while he is on leave this week. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Last I knew, which granted was probably close to a decade ago, it was strictly forbiddenonly PRK was allowed. I knew she couldn't hack it but she joined anyways). Instead, she had abysmal chances for waiver approval because she never got the additional examination needed for a waiver (plus lying isn't helpful to a case), so she was separated despite the recommendation of her MTI. Good luck to you. SSG Sean Donahue - Though your verbiage is way bolder than mine (my post on this issue is above) I fully agree with you!!!! He hadn't been "prescribed" an anti-depressant because he only took some medicine on a short, trial basis. Processing Stations (MEPS) Your visit to a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) determines your mental aptitude, as well as physical and moral qualifications for enlistment in the Army. If they ask, tell them it's a scar from when you were a kid. I think that I am going to just forget that it ever happened. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. As long as you werent taking the pills within 90 days it wont pop up so just dont talk about them. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. You're assuming her recruiter didn't know With the rise of electronic medical records it'll become extremely hard to lie for meps. It may not display this or other websites correctly. why worry about it if it becomes a problem deal with it then. Is your condition a liability to yourself or others? As a result, his history of mental health wasn't assessed by MEPS. And yet when the recruiter tells them to lie so he doesn't have to do paperwork they always believe him that no one will find out. I got both of these surgeries in order to be a seal, and would fucking hate if the reason I can't get in are the very surgeries I got in order to qualify for training. First, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sometimes doctors might not directly tell their patients their actual diagnoses because of the stigma and fear surrounding Mental Health. These include conditions like depression, bipolar disorder, epilepsy, heart issues, Asperger's, and PTSD. I don't suggest lying, but literally almost everyone I know of has lied about something. lie at MEPS? What is the worst that can happen? Discomfort after surgery is minimal, and vision recovery usually takes place in 1 to 2 days. Station commander looked at my medical paperwork and said word-for-word: " You stick to the script. HELP!!! Do you think the risk of getting shit bags and future suicides is worth the chance that one of them might be decent? ", he thought the answer was "No" because his cousin was the one getting counseling and he hadn't been diagnosed. He said the tests they do would not notice the lasik scar it's only if you tell them you had lasik that they do more in depth tests if there's any issues. I don't want to waste the time of past professors and employers if it doesn't matter. Hopefully by then youll be completely withdrawn from your meds. Am I in danger like my friend said? They asked him if hadn't told them EVERYTHING and this was his last chance. I genuinely had not considered that the way I'm acting could be considered morally suspect, or aggravating to the recruiter. Retired in '02 as a Senior Chief(E-8 for you landlubbers). Please don't sabotage your own union's efforts on your behalf. So I left his office and my recruiter took me to up to the hotel. On the way to Meps we got a call from the Chief who asked us if we had ever been asked to lie, had criminal charges etc. Let's all throttle back a bit. MEPS, short for Military Entrance Processing, rolled out a new system yesterday called MHS Genesis. I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didnt they found it at meps . You might think to yourself, "How could he not know that he needed to disclose this information?" Lying at MEPS about medical or mental health history is a really bad idea with serious consequences, as stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. 48.3k Members 151 Online Created Sep 13, 2012 Join Top posts december 6th 2015 Top posts of december, 2015 Top posts 2015 The suicide counselor for the cousin recognized that our young man was confused and worried from his family's recent crisis. Sometimes Its in medical professionals best interests to lie. First, you didn't believe your OR so you called his boss who said the same thing, and then you come here looking for validation of the opposite advice. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. He hadn't told them he had lasik. I think the individual is still at the MEPS stage of enlistment, and if I have understood him correctly, he is awaiting a medical waiver of sorts. Should I lie at MEPS and if so will I likely get caught? Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. In the end, I did everything I could to prove I was completely fine. Post by Cisco4711 January 12th, 2010, 7:10 am. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. By logging into your account, you agree to our. After a long conversation with my doc he said there is no way for them to find out unless you tell them. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Dont lie. Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. May 14, 2016 Just a note, if you decide to lie about it, you need to be sure that you won't let it slip sometime later. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. He was only talking to a counselor because his cousin needed help and he wanted to support her as best he could. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. My experience: I told the truth about something that should have been a non-issue. My friend says I might be in danger for being honest. For every one of these little vignettes there is an outstanding Soldier, Sailor, Airperson or Marine that said "No" when asked, and is out there doing outstanding shit. 2. This is my reaction as I am. This disorder was triggered in BMT from a previously undisclosed mental condition. Seriously folks, stop with the medical determinations. A young woman wanted to join the Air Force and went to MEPS. With his counselor, they decided he should try medication (Sertraline/Zoloft) for control of his symptoms. And more people are going to lie now that everyone is getting diagnosed with ADHD because they're not interested in school (and ADHD is a disqualifier). They determined she only had typical "walking" pneumonia, meaning she would just be held back for 1-2 weeks and join another BMT flight to graduation. Let's Talk 3..e-mail: nathaliemunoz@live.comSubject "Let's Talk" you can send me anything you want from any topic!Previous LET'S TALK:1. https://goo.gl/jim. Further, he won't be able to enlist nor commission in any branch of the military ever again. Though my friend told me his exam consisted of a puff eye test, exam for glaucoma screening. But Im afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. When did the AF start allowing pilots that have had LASIK? I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. The most popular bodybuilding message boards! Not sure why I didnt expect this or was told this. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Is there a glaucoma suspect trait i should be wary of, are there any other eye traits that would require further testing. Yes. So I'm trying to go into USMC and I have been talking with this recruiter for a few months now. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. All Rights Reserved. Penalties for False Enlistment As stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign, lying at MEPS regarding medical or mental health history is a terrible idea with serious implications. That's just the way it happens. Now an MTI's recommendations are definitely considered, but they are really just a tiebreaker if the waiver authority is 50/50 on a case, and MTI's certainly do recommend separation sometimes. What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ? Come visit our wiki over in r/Navy. Then to delete your comments, simply click on your username on Reddit, go to the comments tab, scroll down as far as possible (hint: use RES), and hit the new OVERWRITE button at the top. I went through Air Force BMT in the lste 70's . There's been zero issues from the surgery and was absolutely necessary as I couldn't do more than 10 pushups without the wrist being in terrible pain. So I handed all of my medical and education records that he said to not worry about to the recruiter. The recruiter will come up with the necessary "details" of what happened and will move on to the next recruit. Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. I got to certain sections and told him I have to say "yes" to these questions and I knew how important they were. I didn't mention it at the physical, everything when fine. Should I lie/not mention LASIK when I finally go to MEPs? I have enough money saved to get the surgery, and I'm willing to wait the 180 days, but I don't know how available that waiver is, and my OR doesn't recommend doing anything that will create more hurdles for me to get past at MEPS, stating each hurdle decreases my chances of becoming an officer. After about 2 months on the medication, he discovered that the side-effects of the medicine were worse than his symptoms and stopped taking it. Should I be honest with my recruiter and try to get a waiver? Also, while you wait for a reply from a subject matter expert, try using the search feature! He might have been denied, or if he was approved, he would at least have been more prepared to handle the BMT experience. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. My cousin was in line for a navigator slot when he joined the Marines. Sounds about like what I figured. You were torn and want to be honest. You should have had a post-op visit to measure refractions at 90 days post-op and then another 30 days after that visit.https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/documents/manmed_chap15.pdf. Alright, you've got me interested. broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. Keratinous is NOT trifling; it is the major cause for corneal transplant in the US-a very expensive medical issue. It could just be too early that they do not want to be responsible if there is a tear due to your eyes are still healing. They might nowWhy would you pose a question on a public website. And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. : r/USMCboot. Further investigation found she had a suicide gesture about 6 years earlier due to stress from a recently ended relationship, loneliness (had no friends for support), and academic struggles (failing some college courses). What should I do if MEPS continues to request medical records that don't exist? Should I just wait for him to contact me? So we met a few days later and met his shadow that will be taking his place and filled out all the medical paperwork. Do you think that they would have been able to successfully cope with these circumstances following the earlier problems? They need to have a psychologist evaluate everyone at meps. My dad said hell no, lost 60lbs and 6 years later has had zero knee pain. Don't worry, you'll be fine, I had no issues. First, you are the one liable WHEN you get busted lying. Obviously I will tell them about my felony charge. You are using an out of date browser. It's sometimes better to keep your trap shut and deal with possible consequences later. Option 2: Lie. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. Forgetting the medical side of this for a moment You must log in or register to reply here. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. About 3 years before joining the Air Force, his cousin attempted suicide. Learning has occurred - give it time to sink in. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. How about this: Lying to join the military is a fraudulent enlistment and can result in a felony conviction. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. If you would like to protect yourself, add the Chrome extension TamperMonkey, or the Firefox extension GreaseMonkey and click Install This Script on the script page. Finally, he was incorrectly interpreting the questions from his recruiter and MEPS to what he believed his own history was. There are many specific medical conditions that may disqualify you from joining the U.S. Military. You must log in or register to reply here. Accidentally or on purpose are applicable. You need to disclose it. Maybe mental health evaluations should be more thorough, the guys with physical problems that the Army didn't know about got found out because they were being physically pushed but the mental nutjobsthey didn't get found out til they got to their unit. It may be at MEPS, it may be later in your career. 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