forum. Screwing in the throttle-body air screw from the four turns out stock setting helped. 168.48. I've done a half dozen of them so far. Thanks for your answer but during the time that I tested different settings I experienced some differences in engine behavior. Thanks for a great These have black TPS with long harness pointing backwards, with 2, 3 way triangular connectors. higher but that's minor. Got to thank ThumperTalk, and specifically travertt for After this mod you now have settings similar to a carb,,,, air screw and idle screw. I blocked off the incoming air to the When I took the first reading (stock), it was at 0.59. But that 0.529v value is pretty much what you'd expect on an XC-F at idle. I have a 2014 350 EXC-F with no mods to improve the performance. Would like to have the adjustment hole in the airbox to adjust to 0,6. Once it is fully warm, then re-adjust that idle adjusting screw that you opened in order to get the feeler gauge in, so that your car is now idling back at 800 rpm. I don't know if every EFI system reads tps value at ignition on time. Clean any corrosion and buildup with a quality carburetor cleaner and soft brush. my riding. noticeably better. If the volts aint right the whole system will be doing strange things. Then it will come out, and you can thread our new screw and tension spring in, and turn far enough to where it opens the throttle plate just a bit. Based upon pipe spooge and blackish plug, the bike generally runs . My Original KTM 690 Rally Raid Build and History So Far. Warning- dont fiddle with TPS sensor. Rides slower trails better since i moved tps and (The Background Story) Bigger carbs mean more air/fuel mix can enter the engine, which means more power is available from the engine. Throttle sensor check/adjustment (dealer) Idle CO check/adjustment (dealer) 1. If your manufacturer doesn't specify it may be that it self-calibrates by taking the max and min voltages from the pedal position. It took me longer to take Thanks! No screwy idle problems, quick starting, clean increased rpms. What's the difference between a power rail and a signal line? Symptom #8: Weird buckling and jerking of the car. Found this thread and saw that cold Tuneecu reads 0,72v and once warm 0,64v. Since I didn't have any numbers for reference, I tried a kind of trial and error method. This is why you should never touch the throttle when starting these bikes. - Probably internal circuitry in the ECU. Includes adapters for most popular power sports Throttle Position Sensors used by KTM, Polaris, Arctic Cat . TPS values were 0.0 at 0% throttle and -0.0 at 100% throttle. Discussion in 'Dakar champion (950/990)' started by anydavenow, May 31, 2020. Tighten mounting bolts. The throttle position sensor is mounted to the throttle body on top of the engine. But I did check it on my 350. Saves taking everything out. Wow! adjustments done when the motor was cold. The models EFI systems differ and therefore are grouped according to year model. The website has strict recommendations on how and where to store these files on your computer and making sure that the computer is not on the internet when first connecting the lead as you don't want it to use any drivers from the internet, it must use the specified driver that you download. Browse other questions tagged, Start here for a quick overview of the site, Detailed answers to any questions you might have, Discuss the workings and policies of this site. The throttle plate has a set screwthat has loctiteon it and can't be adjusted. I just created a custom PID and multiplied that value by 0.01961 (5v / 255 levels) to get a display that presents TPS Voltage. exhaust pants difference but could smell it was rich (I'm at (2016 and earlier), EXC and XC-W with Took Yes that is correct to a point. Step 3: Remove the sensor electrical connector. Some features of this site require JavaScript. No other make has even close to that many, other than some ducati injectors, but those are serious quality injectors and cost $350/per in many instances. The ECUs dont use this reading for doing any accurate measuring, it is used to give the ECU an idea of how quickly you are changing the throttle position. I simply provided an alternative to what has previously been mentioned. When I took the first reading YTZjNTBlNjJhZjExNWQ1MWNiMTgyOGFhNzljZTIxMzBjYzk0N2RmNzcxYTM1 OGViZTEwODdkNTQxNjNkMmMzM2Y1YTZmMmVhZGE3ZjQ3YzM4ODZiMjhjMmFj hours with the smog stuff intact. @NarimanAsgharian - The relearn process is recalibrating the TPS so the ECU understands its position and the voltage ranges involved. 3 way connectors (both versions). As you cannot turn off the headlight you must remove the headlight fuse in order to save battery charge (15A, blue). The tps tool was perfect!, Hooked it up and TPI TPS Adjustment. .as far as the tps wiring tool, its a must have If the TPS reads outside of this range, the sensor must be adjusted. and power was reliably there every time I needed it. black and green wires to take reading, Most (all?) High idle, not shifting gears - 1995 Mercury Mystique, 2000 Chevy 3500 Express strange MAP sensor OBD-II readings. KTM is the only bike to come with so many mulitport injector holes. YjhmYmUzNjJmZmRjZmY1ZGRjZWI4OWMxZTYwNTdmZmMzMGJkODc3NGM4N2Vk Probably the most performance improvement per dollar that I've experienced on a bike. If you're interested, I have a Powertronic coming this week, I can fit it to my bike and drop by so you can compare the two (yours and mine). OK as I mentioned I don't have an ECU in my 300 at the moment. Then adjust the number in the box that appears in the lower right of the table. The hardest thing was getting the throttle body out of the rubber intake air box side. throttle response. It looks like the shop may have set them to the . I have a 350 in the garage (with an ECU in it). By clicking Accept all cookies, you agree Stack Exchange can store cookies on your device and disclose information in accordance with our Cookie Policy. http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=685657, http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=666269, http://www.supermotojunkie.com/showthread.php?113690-FREE-KTM-690-Tuning-Software!&, http://www.monomaniacs.nl/tnt/KTM-690/Stalling-and-throttle-issues. Adjust the TPS by moving it back and forth until the voltage is between 4.0 and 5.5 volts. off the seat and the tank then to adjust the TPS sensor. Low end fueling feels great, which is where I do 95% of 0.625v. road test..OMG the thing came ALIVE!. This causes your throttle position sensor to adjust the engine intake manifold accordingly. fuel injected motor with adjustable TPS, Resolve popping, hard starting, stumbling and flameouts The ECU can also use it to identify when different sensors are disagreeing with each other, if the throttle is saying it is wide open, yet the MAF sensor is showing a consistent low air intake, then something is wrong. Yamaha Tags: throttle position sensor, . little. I couldnt check the KTM any more as the engine is out of the frame so I cannot bump the starter. Once removed it will reveal the adjustment screw and locknut. the tps made. I get better response now, and less popping.. time for the TPS tool. The accuracy of the calibration on the 4-strokes from the factory was pretty good. There is Clean your injector, check fuel pressure and readjust. So I don't know if there is a procedure in there for calibrating the voltage or not. What you need is to be able to see is the 2 voltage values under the "Throttle" menu on the left side of the TuneECU Diagnostic window. ZGZlNTVmOWQzOThkNTQ0YzlhODZiNzgxZTcyZjFiNzBmNmIxMGVmMGExMTU0 I measured this when I did the idle screw mod. NzkwZWFhMmNjODFhOTY3YWQwOTljNWU5MThiNmMwMDhmMDA1NzJiMWRhZjM3 I also think using the TPS output to set the idle screw (assuming you added the idle idle screw) very accurately as shown in Steve's video in the original post has some merit. how can I test to see if my sensor is good? MTRhN2UwMWE5OWNlZjljN2UxMjYzZGNiYzJjZDZiY2NiNzQ0OTkwZWIwMzI2 .Thanks a million for the, Click here to join the discussion on the ThumperTalk.com message Isuzu Trooper Euro 2 TPS Throttle Position Sensor 3.0. When you buy through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission.Copyright ThumperTalk, Inc. - All rights reserved.ThumperTalk is a registered trademark. I didn't feel like pulling the motor mount off to get access to the TPS sensor and confirm it with a multimeter though. It wasn't about more power for me. Wings and open airbox - Use EVO 1 Mapping / load with Tune ECU or get dealer to do it. crazy. not in the right gear the engine would hesitate a lot, But there was a desire to calibrate them to a higher voltage to fool the ECU into running richer. I was trying to see what the minimum changes I could do after I installed a fmf 4.1 slip on it popped like I did try it at .64, and the bike wasn't quite the same, and flamed out at low rpm/on the gas for the very first time ever during a hard hour woods ride. Now connect TuneECU to the bike and go to diagnostic menu. blow up hills out there. NWRjMWYzNGM4OTIwMjdjZGExNTIwOThiMThkMDE4NDhkYjFmOWJmYTM4ZTUx A good portion of modern four-stroke engine performance is due to the Keihin FCR carburetor. Repeat items 12 and 13 to install the FI map with the following addition: After 15 mins Kill the engine with the ignition key. have more power as well. M2JlYjc4Yzk3NDI1NGQ2M2E3MmM3NzQxNjIxNjg1YjY0OGFiNjgzYjExOWQ3 During idle try to open throttle by very small amounts Very slowly and you can hear engine running irregular or even stall. I set it at exactly the same voltage as my previous TPS. It's just that the standard ODB2 PID is 8 bits. Just received my tps tool, so I drilled out my screen, Yes, according to research in that web , your setup is probably off (just a little), so you test what reading you have atm, then increase until your problems go away.This considering all stock setups are on the lean side. It allows air to bypass the throttle plate. This is why I wanted to know which setting is the best. http://advrider.com/index.php?threa-rally-raid-build-and-history-so-far.1175453/, http://www.welikebikes.be/KTM690Wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page, (You must log in or sign up to reply here.). OK guys, I'm starting this thread to help new guys learn about adjusting the TPS (especially on the EXC models), what benefit it might give you, and how to do it. I bought a 2014 KTM 500 EXC and rode around about 20 A tool for adjusting the TPS Throttle Position Sensor voltage on a KTM motorcycle dirtbike EXC XC-W XCF SXF SX XC . Tech How-To. . However, I'm still not quite sure which setting is the best. I have done several rides. YmFhMjgwNDkzZWVjZjNkYzIxMjMyMjcwNDczNmY2OGIwYzVmN2VhNGRlZjc4 Bike ive had that same expeerience before with mass air flow sensors And im pretty sure when it comes to sensors that have higher resolution and are constantly changing like that even minute voltage annomalies a bad sensor might give off would confuse the computer and these annomalies may not be visible with static voltmeter measurements we would be taking so unless you connect an osciliscope and monitor the waveform during operation its unlikely that you would be able to see what the issue that is throwing off the computer is, We've added a "Necessary cookies only" option to the cookie consent popup. Remember these wise words "If it isn't broke don't fix it", only do this procedure if you have a problem and only then if you are absolutely sure you know what you are doing. I have done several rides. It screws into a connector on the intake manifold. Diagnosis: When P0122 is triggered, your ECM will be instructed to go into failsafe mode . Loosen the throttle position sensor retaining screw with a Phillips-head screwdriver. throttle response. pressure is something to check at some point as well. and set it at 0.649vroad test again no seat of the You can adjust the idle with the throttle screw, and then fine turn the idle with the air screw, as your riding the bike, to kind of get the idle you want. ). Would like to have the adjustment hole in the airbox to adjust to 0,6. Adjust as required to get the voltage level as specified: APAD Voltage should be 0,72V 0,02V Fully Closed. 7. ZTMzMTJiOTk4OTU0YmE4OTRhOGQwZWQxZTYxYzRlY2FkYmNkOGYyNmVjMTcy (2014 and earlier), Husqvarna FE and FE-S ZGYyZWY2ZDQ0OTdlYTJlNzFiNmQwZDA3YzY0ODZiMzQwIn0= MmU4MjIzNjMzMWI0MzI5ZWU3MzFjMWZlYWIxYjkxMDUzODJjYzk0ZTFjZjY4 BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Thank you to [Matt]! Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) Adjustment Tool for KTM, Husaberg, Husqvarna Honda Adjust your TPS to improve performance! Part 1 of 2: Removing the throttle position sensor. Connect and share knowledge within a single location that is structured and easy to search. Connect Throttle Sensor harness connector. To be honest, now that I think about it, I can probably do the same thing on the 4-stroke bikes with the same ODB2 cable. ZjI0ZDZiZTRkODBhMzE4NzM2MmVmYzUxZWZjN2Q2YWQ3MWUxZTYwZTQ2YjIx Come join the discussion about maintenance, modifications, troubleshooting, performance, and more! Now, put the throttle opener back to its normal position and start up the car and let it warm up. So I took it down to 01-08-2013, 01:42 PM. You need to turn the ignition off and back on, then wait until it connects to TuneECU and check AGAIN if all 3 voltages are in still within specification range. The public can buy these manuals, subscribe to Alldata.diy or Mitchell for online access to manufacturers service manuals. Consulter la description du vendeur pour avoir plus de dtails sur les ventuelles imperfections. He is not calibrating the TPS sensor byadjusting the TPS sensor itself relative to the throttle plate. Adjusted tps to .64 from stock .58 better, tried it at You must adjust the throttle stop screw before you attempt to adjust the TPS. OGQ0ZjcyODYwMjUxZWFiMWVjOWMzNjc2OWI1NzNlZjVlMjM1OTIzZmRhM2Nj When I took the first reading 7. Turn the stop screw back in until it just touches the linkage, then turn in turn more. -----BEGIN REPORT----- Truly impressed with how simple it is to adjust the TPS with this harness. while improving throttle response, by fine tuning your TPS The 1st TPS (nearest the saddle) should be set to about 1v at 0%. @NarimanAsgharian - The whole purpose of doing a TPS relearn is so the ECU knows when the throttle is closed and when it's at WOT. If you believe Wordfence should be allowing you access to this site, please let them know using the steps below so they can investigate why this is happening. 13. Attach multimeter to TPS terminals IDL and E2 (the bottom two terminals on the TPS). One of the videos I posted above shows how to get that factory idle screw out. Around 2012-13 they used injectors with fewer but larger holes. Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) Adjustment Tool for KTM, Husaberg, Husqvarna Honda. Generated by Wordfence at Thu, 2 Mar 2023 12:19:56 GMT.Your computer's time: document.write(new Date().toUTCString());. Turn the ignition on but don't start. For No slack whatsoever. 500EXC Was at.58 set it to .64 idle speed went up a I just wanted to say that I used your tool to set my tps. Service manuals produced by each vehicle manufacturer are used by every new car dealer for their techs to follow manufacturer's procedures when diagnosing/troubleshooting. Does the ECU still recognize it as WOT? 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