Classic Firearms just put these on sale for $799/shipped. To which I reply that guns are tested in factory condition, and a gun that needs to be fixed before you can actually use it is a pretty piss poor gun.. Do as Gunfun suggested and get some 3 Dram or higher. Others online claim that this fixed their cycling issues, but it did nothing for me. A jury would look at it and think I borrowed it from grandpa. they said no one should be detain because of open carey of a gun, so u first need break the law, some kind law they take your gun do they have just cause to beleave gun not leagle ? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Makes sense that the cycling of the action might be a bit rough and too tight to cycle low velocity rounds. You can post now and register later. Some SGM 10-12 rounders have had issues sticking because of some leftover material inside that needs to be smoothed out. Own a piece of Russian legacy before it's gone. Man, does that look awkward and ungainly. Day and night difference in performance and reliability. Although the slide release is inside the trigger guard, you have to put your finger behind the trigger and push quite hard to release. So I ask more questions and the guys on the message board are awesome about explaining. Purpose [ edit] Ive beaten competitors much better than me that used those in Trooper division simply because their gun didnt work. I considered giving it to a friend for safekeeping but everyone knows how that goes. But the form factor of the magazines limit your capacity, and are you really going to take the time to strap on extra shotgun magazines before checking on what that noise downstairs was? What exactly do you mean by a manual bolt hold open? If it does the mags may be the issue. Mechanically, anyway. Post break in, its one of my favorite handguns. Onetap, A place for responsible gun owners and enthusiasts to talk about guns without the politics. Total Length: 42 in / 1070 mm. All Rights Reserved. The bolt release tab then protrudes out indicating you have a locked colt. But the question remains: is the gas piston supposed to have a little side to side play in it? It is well designed and in a place that makes it easy to reload and shoot without moving your hand much. Then I thought maybe the SGM 12rd magazine was the problem, so I switched to the factory 5rd, same problem. There are dimpled impressions in either side of the threads on the end of the bolt carrier where the gas piston screws in that prevent it from being tightened which leads me to believe its supposed to be that way but for there to be ANY wiggle in such a sophisticated gas system seems a little odd to me. I own Vepr-12 shotgun and the it has a last round bolt open feature. Yeah I forgot about that, But they also make a new 3" magnum load which I would like to try out for HD. The factory recoil assembly can be the reason for (FTE)Failure to Eject problems. I bought a single VEPR 12 (for under $700 shipped btw) and its FLAWLESS. There are other firearms with way more aftermarket parts available. I dont get the part about magazines and home defense. The other point is gun is great COMBAT gun for which it was designed. The second one I bought was at issue. Gifts sure. You need to pull it into your shoulder when shooting the low power stuff. And with it locked back, the trigger is locked. The shotgun is also imported into the United States. Somethingto try and may help. If you are a person that is looking for ONE gun then do your research and grab it but why badmouth others? It cycles every type of ammo I throw at it. It must be that new STUPID CORE Math ..you know the Obammy way of doing things.. .I saw this as a news story on C hicken N oodle N ews.. Another use is deer/hog hunting. I also found another guy in Texas who ran a business with similar services although after trying to get in touch with him, it appears that he is currently experiencing medical issues and could not help me. Re-use your factory recoil springs, or, for improved cycling with 3 dram ammunition, use in conjunction with our 15lb Wolff recoil spring, available here:http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, Note: Gunsmith install HIGHLY recommended! Urban warfare. Its pretty much always the same malfunction. . Let me know if theres anything else that would help. The trigger will reset if I pull thr charging handle back just a little bit and let the BCG go back into battery with the chambered round. If youre thinking about home defense, thats probably the best application I could think of for the gun. Do they use the metric designations for shotguns calibers as well as regular cartridges? Got myself a great rifle for less than 1 gran on top of few boxes of ammo! Oh, and the best part: The bolt is held open after the last round fires. When you said ten round dump i assume you are refering to from a SGM magazine. VEPR-12 Shotgun Specifications: Caliber: 12ga Barrel: 19 inches Capacity: 4+1 MSRP: $1,199 ( Buds) Alternate 00 buck with slugs and rock and roll the big apes. As a side note, I did use it to shoot a can of Mt. The safety on the m1 rifle and several other firearms is in the trigger gaurd. I get lots of help. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. So each category gets 4 stars but somehow the overall drops to 3 stars? I sent my bolt carrier group, piston, and fire control group to Shannon who began work on polishing the parts immediately. To do this, simply remove the dust cover and the recoil spring assembly so that you have access to the tang. 31 0 0. But it was a fun range gun. Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! Overall Rating: * * * I couldnt tell you on the overpenetraion aspect, as most of their buckshot is the same across the board. Its not like an AR-15 where you can manually set the bolt open without the magazine if that is what you are referring too. Customization: * * * * I live in the shotgun only part of Michigan, and Ive been using a saiga with an eotech for the last two years. First, the Saiga and the VEPR are completely different guns. Magazine: Removable box 5 rounds (8 ,10 ,12, and 25 round magazines available) The Russian VEPR 12 semi . and yes they first need judge order or arrest u, there arrest found not sound leave them open to law sute One, makes me not the least bit interested in any more reviews you personally write and second it makes me question the vetting process for reviewers/writers here at TTAG. These are getting hard to come by. Just saying. Check it out at www.cobras-custom.com if you need help! Dyspeptic Gunsmith can probably answer this better and more eloquently than I can. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial.. so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. Believe it or not, many more pumps than autos. Rio 12-Gauge 2-3/4 00-Buck Bulk Shotgun Shells with Dry-Storage Box I was referring to the hornady 9 pellet OOB 1600 FPS load described in the quote. similar to taking down Al Capone for tax evasion). Ill try to post some pics after work. The first thing I noticed was that the action cycled incredibly smoothly.I'm talking way more smoothly than what I remembered before sending it off. Press J to jump to the feed. You just have to take everything with a grain of salt. Bring the price down around $800 and well talk. Everybody who I have personally seen that had an s12 that ftfd didnt set the regulator correctly. Home defense, war, Armageddon is what its designed for. I charged the gun with a factory 5-round magazine and fired away. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. That skeleton stock is actually a left hand folding that has been pinned open due to 922r. And, since my kids all sleep upstairs, I can simply keep the weapon at less than horizontal + 15 degrees and they are totally safe. Where is the best place to buy the vepr12. I thought about the annoyance of trying to load magazines (cant leave them loaded for years on end or the springs get even less reliable), rock & lock, and engage an intruder Id have to ask for a time out and heaven forbid the darn thing jams as sometimes happened at the range. For the Russian hunting rifle, see, Carbine -206 (VPO-206) with collapsible stock, Learn how and when to remove this template message, "French RAID operator with russian Molot Vepr 12 Semi-Automatic Shotgun", The Vepr 12 "Molot" old official page snapshot, "Army News" NATO putting Vepr-12 "Molot" in service, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vepr-12&oldid=1134448598, 12 Gauge [18.5x70mmR] or 12 Gauge Magnum [18.5x76mmR], This page was last edited on 18 January 2023, at 19:15. Your piston gets guided into position by the gas tube. Much like its cousin the Saiga-12, the Vepr-12 is ideal for clay shooting, with appropriate optics. And yes, as the previous reviews said, not the same as a Saiga, this has auto adjust gas and can fire various types of loads from the same magazine or from magazine to magazine. The "flexing" and binding of the captured OEM assemblies can rob your system of the efficiency needed to cycle the gun properly. That may be. reloads are quicker, movement is much more fluid, and the manual of arms is much more similar to the AR-15 rifle. Inconsistencies of the factory VEPR 12 & SAIGA 12 Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are well known. Or alternatively, if the velocity is down, the weight has to go up. So what if it is made in the USA? They included that button on the bottom of the receiver it is in front of the trigger this allows you to lock the bolt without an inserted magazine. Ultimately, you will have to go through the trouble shooting process yourself, but if you run out of options with no luck, consider Cobra's Custom and their professional polishing job. You have entered an incorrect email address! ak-74-for-sale Why arent top 3 gun shooters using it? In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. The Federal was a little better, but still jammed frequently. For the most part all semi auto shotguns have their own quirks. The gun will fire, cycle, eject, and feed a new round, but the trigger reset for the second round doesnt seem to be happening. The Vepr-12 lacks the standard AK side mounting rail, instead using a Picatinny rail incorporated into the dust cover for optic mounting. I hope my previous comment doesnt seem anti-2nd. When shouldering the Vepr, the ergonomics also help reduce recoil. I am assuming your problem is with the trigger somewhere, but I can't be certain. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/_DMC/DEP12.jpg. With the cheek pad in place I couldnt get a good sight picture, and with it removed I couldnt get any kind of cheek or even chin weld on the stock. ive had nothing but issues feeding cheap roundsFTE almost every single time. Thanks man, it is sounding more and more like this is a trigger issue. Weighing 9.5 pounds does help reduce felt recoil from high-velocity 12-gauge loads. Its an improvement over the old Saiga-12, but I wouldnt judge it being twice as good. First off ditch the SGM mag. This is a really poor inaccurate review. The first Saiga I bought did not have any problems at all, it's a matter of Quality Control at the factory. Glad I held off on a Saiga. After the break in period it fires everything from cheap wallyworld birdshot up to slugs. Friend lose things. Its much more convenient and a lot quicker to reload. Ratings (Out of Five Stars): Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. 1200fps and up have had much more success than lighter loads and "low recoil" stuff. I might cut my house in half, but there is no way in hell anybody is leaving that place alive. If something goes bump in the night just grab it and rack the slide. Next time to the range Ill polish the gun. The VEPR has the standard Krebs adapter affixed. I keep my mini-Vulcan leaning on the wall next to my bed with two belt filled cans. This review almost had me until two things happened. It works well for things like skeet and hunting, but when you get into tactical uses or competition shooting the game becomes a test of who can stuff rounds in their gun faster. The dust cover is hinged to the shotgun, allowing the user to open and close the cover without losing the zeroing of a mounted optic. After receiving the gun, I put a new Chaos quad rail on, got a CSS muzzle brake, new Hogue grip, Mako GL-SHOCK stock, Molot factory AR buffer tube hinge adaptor and magazine release button extension. Overall rating is not mathematically derived from the previous component ratings and encompasses all aspects of the firearm including those not discussed. I would do it again and again for the results that I got. The VPO-206 series is chambered for 12 Gauge [18.5x70mmR] shells. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here:http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/, Works on all Saiga 12, 20, 410 and Vepr 12 shotguns, Abel Anthony You take equipment from the factory and are willing to pan something if its bad. I wanted to use the worst possible ammo I could find and sure enough, I did. Clear editor. Just bought one along with a few 8 rd. Upgrade for the factory VEPR-12 and SAIGA-12 recoil assemblies. Well Im a good shot and either they will be dead or I will before Im done with the six rounds. Maybe the new name should be THEMODERATLYBIASPOINIONSONGUNS.COM. Trench clearing. You are all CRAZY. You cannot paste images directly. First on the list of gripes is the safety. They need some help with smoothing and polishing parts inside and such. Are you using the factory magazine or aftermarket? I think shotguns are the best home defense weapon point it in the intruders general direction and youre likely to really ruin their day. I fire the magnum slugs, I dont see how the safety is a problem, no sharp metal jutting out. the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. The top front of the mags forward of the feedlips needs to be lowered about 1/8" to allow some over insertion, which should fix this problem. Just pull the bolt back with your right hand, push the button with your left index finger while gripping the rifle and it locks back. Vepr 12 shotguns are designed for self-defense. Winchester Military Grade Buckshot. The VEPR-12 is definitely an improvement over the Saiga-12, but as far as I can tell it's still a solution looking for a problem. It looks like something that was invented specifically for a video game or a Schwarzenegger movie. I havent run birdshot through it yet so I cant comment on function with low brass loads. I tried the new performance springs from CSS with no luck. Place a screwdriver or other object on the follower ans forcefully push the follower down and let it come back up very quickly. You didnt give it a fair test! To which I reply that guns are tested in factory condition, and a gun that needs to be fixed before you can actually use it is a pretty piss poor gun. It has a collapsible Colt M4-style Magpul sliding stock. Since the Saiga puts you in the higher classes of 3 gun I bought a Mossberg 930 SPX. Take your finger and slowly push the follower downward as deep as you possibly can. Ive always had great luck with people trying to help each other out. Its a bit funny for me to read: the gun FEELS like it has very sharp edges and rough machining. His point about magazines, there are 5, 8, 10, 12 round mags available and various drums too. And instead of rocking the magazines into place like on a standard AK, they simply slot straight into the receiver. Comes standard on the CR-12 an KL-12. Cost the same as a base model AR or AK does. The Vepr-12 is exported worldwide. Just saw them in stock here http://www.birminghampistol.com/?product=vepr-12-gauge-ak-style-shotgun-semi-auto-folder-stock-welded-open, YupThanks to BHO. Then take out the two screws that hold down the tang. Seems interesting. sure Ill have to replace a couple parts but the mag does count as one of them. Then of course the possibility of violating firearms laws in a different state. I'm thinking that I may have bent the gas tube a bit replacing the guard on that, but it looks within spec and I've been fiddling with it to make sure there isnt an out of spec gap. The Vepr 12 has AK-style sights; however, it also has a top rail if you want to mount a red dot or similar optic. Hornady claims to use different powders in their defensive loads to minimise muzzle flash, so that is probably different. Your previous content has been restored. I guess I'm different in that I never look for a "end-all-be-all" firearm be it hand/long. ak47-for-sale Yea that was the first thing i thought also. He posted these pictures and made youtube videos. It turned out to be the gas ports in the gas block. Ive done similar things on my reviews. Also lubed the carrier rails on the receiver. If you want to shoot the lower end of the range, try one of the CSS springs. Cycling the action by hand, it doesnt seem rough, in fact, my WASR-10 which is completely reliable has a much grittier, noiser action. Price is a super hard one, but value could be a legit thing to rank in cases where it actually does affect the overall (and, btw, Im completely guessing as to why Nicks overall is lower than the average of the categories it could be value plus 1,000 other tiny things that didnt deserve categories of their own but brought the average down). I received the parts back within a few weeks and they looked beautiful. A nifty range gun no doubt, but if I'm spending this much money I'd like to actually be able to use it for something. Shannon also sent me a bottle of break-in lubrication and a set of cleaning tools back with my parts. I get lots of help. This versatile system is often erroneously characterized as a "self-regulating" gas system. Weight w/o Magazine: 9.7 lbs / 4.4 kg. It actually works and is much easier to use. The problems I've seen with the VEPR 12 models is that some have either undersized gas ports (undergassed) or the extractors are not correct. By I dont see the Vepr as much of an improvement. I took the Vepr back to the gun range using only the stock magazine and with the gun lubricated. I never beat my dogs downstairs though and it is over so fast I dont get time to even fire one round. I got great assurance from one FFL was that the AR/AK style was fine complete with the . Its a shotgun, anything more than a brass bead and youre over thinking your shot. That's when I discovered Cobra's Custom. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. where-to-buy-guns Not sure about VEPR shotguns, but their AK-47 https://gritrsports.com/shooting/firearms/rifles/ak-47-rifles/ are top notch! However, no variable regulating mechanism is present. An unusual feature among firearms in the Kalashnikov family, the Vepr-12 sports a last round bolt hold-open mechanism. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. Ive never seen that XRAIL system before. I rapid fired, as well as took my time between shots. I have an additional 5rd factory magazine I could take to the range next time to see if both of the magazines I tried today are faulty. best-place-to-buy-guns (I know that it probably would not cause this issue, but it's something easy to check). Well, it didn;t work that way for me. Instead of being a straight AK-style safety, Molot has added a flap that extends down near the pistol grip with the idea that you can then use your trigger finger to manipulate the safety. Mine runs 2 3/4 Dram (Winchester AA). Paste as plain text instead, The gun will fire, cycle, eject, and feed a new round, but the trigger reset for the second round doesnt seem to be happening. Visit Our Site and Get Your Favorite Actors or Actresses Outfits now at the best prices. But Im not volunteering to be the test case. The feed mod is first. If you don't give a it good back stop, you can cause the FTE's. It is patterned after the original Kalashnikov rifle and built on the heavier RPK light machine gun receiver. Light recoil for a 12 gauge. Positioned about in the same spot that the bolt hold open tab was for the Saiga-12 shotgun, the tab now works as a bolt release allowing you to press this one tab and let the bolt slide home. It has a side-folding two-strut folding stock with a buttpad and reversible cheekpad. It was immediately clear (especially after reading this authors Saiga 12 review) that he didnt want to like this gun. I also did not use any magnums. amen to that. At first I thought it was because the RPK handguard i got is a tiny bit shorter and it was wiggling out of place but I put the original back on and I still had it happen today. Upload or insert images from URL. Considering unconverted Saigas go for thatits a great deal. October 8, 2014 in Vepr-12. Display as a link instead, If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The addition of a magazine well, another unusual feature for a Kalashnikov-pattern firearm, allows for "straight in" magazine insertion, as opposed to the "rock and lock" procedure required on standard AK rifles and the Saiga-12 shotgun. Then the question become: why have the rating system at all? Copyright Pasadena Shooting Dentist. What would happen is the quality would degrade. The gun had no problems in cycling 00 buck in either 2- or 3-inch shells. You simply cant hold the shortcomings of the Saiga against the VEPR. We test the VEPR-12 a few different ways to see how this monster feeds. I don't own a VEPR but I had this exact problem with one of my Saigas. If I were looking to drop that kind of scratch on a semi auto 12 gauge its going to have pretty wood furniture. I think the best point in this review is what do you use it for? Am i allowed to post a youtube link? mossberg-930-spx-pistol-grip-for-sale, https://shootarillusions.com/product/best-6-5-creedmoor-500-rounds/, https://shootarillusions.com/product/hornady-hp-xtp-9mm-124-grain-bullets/. Speaking only for myself, Im glad to trade the pretense of mathematical objectivity for reviews that are an honest reflection of an informed persons opinions and preferences. One thing I noticed that was left out of the review that is worth mentioning. How many FPS are the rounds you are running? +1 for the Hornady buckshot. Question of the Day: You Arent Really Tacticool Until . Shame on you. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. First, your limited thinking cant come up with all the tactical and practical applications for a semi-auto shotgun that reloads quickly and easily? I know that you have probably done this, but make sure your gas puck (I think that is what it's called) is installed in the correct orientation. That said, Ill admit that in the reviews I have done Ive tried to add any categories that I felt had a direct affect on the overall score so the overall did make more sense when taking into account the stuff above it. My Saiga 12 is mostly a range toy. You might have better luck with the 3 1/4 dram eq row of the chart. Some of the first advice I got was to take out the bolt carrier, clean the factory grease and relube. Ignoring for a minute that its inside the trigger guard which is a huge safety concern to some people, the role reversal means that theres no easy way to lock the bolt open when the gun runs dry. Price was 799.99 and was from Classic Arms. I have seen people complain about the S12 not cycling light target loads. The Vepr-12 also incorporates a unique safety catch and bolt release mechanism. I really didnt have a good reason to buy it other than the fact that they arent being imported anymore. Do this quite a few times until the follower moves smoothly from top to bottom. Slim Fit Leather Jackets is an online store that sells jackets for men and women with free shipping all over the world! Are there otherwise drum magazines to this weapon? I was still having some issues with the low brass ammo. Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at. This. Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here: Recoil Guide Rod Assembly VEPR-12 Dissident Arms, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/. Unlike the IZ-109 manually adjustable gas regulator system used on the Saiga-12, the gas system on the Vepr-12 is a clone of the IZ-433 unregulated fixed open port tappet system, allowing the Vepr-12 to cycle most commercially available 12-gauge loads, from 3.25 dram equivalent and up, without risking damage to the shotgun and without requiring any manual adjustment by the user. I keep my nose clean when 922R is concerned. Instead of the standard AK safety selector, some Vepr-12 shotguns have an ambidextrous safety that can be manipulated from either side of the receiver. The Vepr 12 gauge shotgun is known around the world as one of the finest IPSC and 3 Gun shotguns made.. The CD, Superformance, and Zombie loads are all the same shit with different hulls. Other's claimed that replacing the recoil spring did the trick for them and for many, that might be enough to get their rigs running normally..every gun will be a bit different. The most I was able to get all day were 4 rounds through it without a malfunction. The first pic is original and the second is modded. The Vepr 12 shotgun is a hefty piece of machinery. If there were only a single overall rating, it may not reflect whats important to some people vs. others. With all of this said, I realize that there can be many reasons why a gun will not run as advertised. With the VEPR 12, I said what the heck. I recommend factory springs. A lot of TTAGs overall star ratings mention that theyre comparing the gun to similar guns in a similar price range. Saiga-12.com Corporation ! No, I just tried and the hammer resets even if I pull the charging handle back less than would be required for a shell ejection, which it is. Im hoping its just one of thise situations where it needs to be fired more. Loans no. mandalorian-armor-for-sale My Saiga 12 works flawlessly if I have the gas adjusted correctly. It made firing the gun somewhat uncomfortable for me. I would dissemble the trigger and see if anything is out of place with that area first. I tried one yesterday, and again today, and I shot some old Winchester light target loads that are rated 2 3/4 drams with 1 1/8 oz loads. We test the VEPR-12 a few different ways to see how this monster feeds. Theres an issue with aiming this gun, thanks to the parallax resulting from the sights being an inch above the top of the barrel. The aftermarket for Veprs has gotten much better in the past few years as well. Learn how your comment data is processed. Molot VEPR. Id also be really embarrassed to show up at work without pants on, but its just about as likely. Clear editor. But for home defense, I just grab the Vaquero or the Glock 21 or the Mossberg and I feel fine with that. Didnt want that to happen to a gun registered in my name. Vepr 12 owner here. Are you rapid firing, or taking your time between the shots? Good tip menace! You can adjust, but shooting at different distances will be an issue. That is, the bolt locks to the rear of the receiver after the last round has been ejected. Display as a link instead, and if possible side folding stock, but most of available options required a special adaptor. For a purchase of 700 (on line all day long) and another, perhaps 100 or less, to make it 922(r) compliant, you cannot find a more reliable shot gun that can shoot assorted types of ammo without adjusting the gas. Photo by Jeff Jones. And lastly, just my opinion, If paralax is an issue and you cant compensate for 1 then maybe a different hobby is better for you. I can see MAYBE using the VEPR 12 with a 20-round drum of Dragons Breath to fry the crippled bastard after Ive tartard his @$$ but thats just to make sure they dont get up again like in a horror film. I can't even say that about my Remington 1187P (perhaps the R12 will correct this..?). atf got so so bussy they got better things to do the strip down your gun see if compliant probe is they need Pasted as rich text. Also just send in your assembly to have them install in, trust me, its a pain. I do not know Shannon at Cobra's personally nor is he paying me to endorse him, but I feel strongly about giving credit where credit is due and he definitely delivered what he promised. The Vepr-12 is intended to be a direct competitor to the widely popular Saiga-12 shotgun already produced by Izhmash. We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. Also try not to limp shoulder the weapon. I mean, its the truth about how this gun comes from the factory, but its not the truth about how great this gun can be with 5 minutes of time in my mechanically inclined hands. The V12 will go for many more rounds without breaking than most pump guns will. 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